Watari wrote:Btw if abortion was made illegal, the amount of unwanted pregnancies probably wouldn't go down as much as the amount of illegal abortions and blackmarket abortion practices will go up, so really you have a deciding factor, do you want to risk some teen going into someone basement to get an abortion that can kill them, or do you give them a safe place to go to do it but a place that will try to persuade them against it (many abortion clinics do have pamphlets and videos that a person must watch and read before going through with the abortion.
Price we pay when we play. Illegal am illegal no matter how you look at it. You get caught, you pay the price for the crime in my opinion.
Watari wrote:Do I believe abortion is murder.... No I do not, I don't believe that abortion is murder in any sense, I believe in the woman's right to terminate the cells that are multiplying inside her body, even if a Father is in the picture. Now, why do I believe this? Because that woman has to carry that baby for 9 months, she has to make sure it's fed and taken care of for 9 months, it's her body and it's ultimately her choice and yes I believe a father doesn't even have that say so because all he has is one night of work then he's on his merry way for the next 9 months.
Yes, defining 'life' is a philosophical debate more so than a religious one, as it has been around before 'organized' religions. Darwinism believes that life occurs at the moment a single cell amoeba begins to fidget. Most religions believe that it is when the first breath of life (god) is breathed into the child (Catholicism always blew me away on this one with their anti-abortionism). Personally, having been pregnant more than once and given birth with each pregnancy, I know for a personal fact that you 'know' when you are pregnant. There is a little spark that you feel the moment the impregnated egg implants itself to the side of the womb. To me, that is life emerging. Just because it does not yet look like me does not mean that it is any less alive than I am. Of course this could be taken to the realms of does a tree feel anything when it is being chopped down? There is no argument that a fully flowering tree is alive. So this definitely plays into one's own personal standards on how they view life and what stage it becomes important to them.
As for the father having no say, I totally disagree! It is not the male's fault that he does not carry the child for 9 months. It took 2 to make that child so therefore there should be 2 opinions in the matter. A woman should not have the right to tell a would-be and want-to-be father that his feelings, thoughts, emotions, and opinion do not matter, because they do. A woman has the right to tell a man who doesn't want to have a child, 'tough luck buddy, plus guess what? you're also going to financially support your child'. It is giving way too much to the woman who is just as culpable in creating that child as her male counterpart is, the right to make all the final decisions regarding a child. There are many mothers that die on the delivery table and the father is quite capable of raising that child alone, so the old adage that it is just simply maternal thing, isn't fair to the man, either. Now I find this rather funny as Watari is a man without child (that we know of
) and I am a woman with children and we are speaking up for the opposite gender, but given our gender confusion in 2Moons, it's not really surprising.
Watari wrote:As for the scenario of double murder for the mother and unborn child I guess I would have to ask the question that in the state in which this murder occurred, what are the Abortion laws there? Was the woman who was gunned down 8.5 months into her pregnancy and state law only allows abortions up to 3 months after conception? Just a question to ponder, that could be a connection there, if state law says abortion is allowed up to 3 months and a mother gets killed and the baby dies at 8.5 months after conception than by state law, that baby can be considered a person, though some states do state that a person being that of being able to breath on it's own, thus drawing first breath, maybe the state was able to prove before dying that the child took a breath? So many scenario's so little information!
*nods* Yes, a state's law governing the abortion limit in what trimester the fetus is, is very important here. However, in my state, it doesn't matter. There is no limit on it. Just because a woman is 'able' to have gotten an abortion within the first 3 months, does not mean that if her fetus is killed by another human during that first trimester that the killer gets off... it's still infanticide. Again, it goes back to the wishes of the mother - if she decides to keep the child then any wrong-doing toward that child by another is a crime. So again I ask... why is it not a crime for her, especially if the father wishes to keep 'his' child? It is not just her egg that is creating that child, heck, she doesn't even determine the gender of the baby. By the way, the majority of pregnancies do nothing more than warp a woman's body for a whole 5 months of her pregnancy. If she really doesn't want the child, give it up for adoption or give it to the father and begin to realize how it feels to be required to support a child like a man is forced to when 'he' doesn't want the child. Women want equal rights? Well here's a good place to start.